Why I’m willing to go to jail for running OldVersion.com

Archiving older versions is an honor. I like to think of myself as the curator of a new kind of museum, carefully picking and choosing which software to put on display. There are some true gems of true gems of software history here and also some not-working software that have turned entire industries upside down.

Not everyone seems to understand the purpose of this museum.

I’ve had developers tell me that they were going to “personally kill me for archiving old browsers.” Over the last month, 11% of our users used Internet Explorer 6 to access our site vs 9.4% of our visitors that used Internet Explorer 7. Cross-compatibility can be such a headache for developers that I can understand why they would want me to die. I can only imagine — having my life sucked out of me in some horrendous way by a pissed off developer, simply because I started oldversion.com which allows users to download IE6. What the hell would I even be thinking at that time?

Freedom for old versions!

Developers have also pissed me off so much that just today, I talked about kidnapping my developer’s wife (her sister lives right across the street from my grandmother) and holding her for ransom until our project was delivered and cross-compatible with old browsers. Truth be told, I even like his wife (but don’t tell him that – he could get some wrong ideas!) so that should give you an idea of how mad I was. My good friend and consultant, Chris Buryta talked me out of it. It’s a good thing too, because I don’t want to be in jail. Or do I?

If someone asked me whether I am willing to sit in jail for providing old versions of software – my answer would be yes. Indeed, I would go to jail, although to be completely honest with you – probably for no longer than a month.

Jail or Freedom?

I want to make it clear: I think archiving old versions is critical to understanding culture and its progression and evolution. I don’t care how many people it pisses off. Being able to look at the progression of technological culture and its direct economic, social and historical affects on human society is an unexplored, exponentially growing and fascinating field. Software is an additional archeological artifact for anthropologists to examine. What can the progression of software tell us about where our civilization is heading? Please feel free to discuss this in the comments below.

Put me in jail for running this site if you want. The U.S. had no qualms about doing that to Megaupload founder. If I could make one small request though – put me in a jail with prisoners that look like this.

I would stay there forever.

My kind of jail

Alexander Levine is the founder of OldVersion.com. He started the site in 2001 after noticing that the new version of Napster used up all his system resources. You can follow his personal Twitter at @avlevine

47 Comments on "Why I’m willing to go to jail for running OldVersion.com"

  1. Thunder says:

    I cannot remember how many times I have paid a visit to your site, every time the words “do remember that program” I head on over and see if it is still alive on your site. Some older versions just work better than the newer ones. Just because something has all the newest bells and whistles doesn’t mean that I either want or need those bells and whistles, the simpler version worked better and did exactly what I wanted it to do. Thank you for keeping the old versions. I do keep back up copies of my old stand by programs, some no longer work with new operating systems, but others do. Developers need to chill.

  2. Samir says:

    I think your site also pays a service to all those places where state-of-the-art doesn’t exist, like the third-world. There, win98se is a godsend and applications that are long forgotten in the west breathe in new life to their world. This is paramount to making life better for all of mankind.

    But I don’t think it’s a jail or nothing decision. I think educating the software companies that created these early works on the value of their old version for the purposes of philanthropy and general education will go a long way if it reaches the right people. They can host the content and keep it on their servers, cutting your bandwidth and legal ties to their products. You can highlight the companies that have contributed to this project and its purposes that benefit all of mankind. I mean, you can’t BUY great PR like that. I could see Microsoft or other companies with a slightly tarnished image jumping on board immediately as a way to boost their positive PR.

    The whole Intellectual Property Rights debate has turned into a complete fiasco imo. If the parties involved sat down at a table and talked about realistic solutions, this would all be solved peacefully.

    But there’s too much money at stake, so people are fighting instead. Reminds me of pre-school when kids fought over sole possession of a ball. Lotta good that’s going to do when you still need other kids to play with. Both sides need to understand this.

    • Alexander says:

      What a great point, Samir.

      This is something we’d love to do – is have more involvement from software companies in building out our archive.

      So far, BulletProof FTP have been extremely forthcoming in uploading their software to our site, but we also need to do a better job to highlight these brands that understand our mission. So that is something we will continue to move forward on. Thanks for your encouragement!

    • Timothy says:

      I coldun’t get on to AOL and was told by a tech support lady to get a free CD from Wal Mart to get back on to AOL 9.0 SE. I put the CD in my PC and was put on to AOL 9.0 VR. I was very dieappointed in the new version. I called AOL back and the gentleman gave me directions to get back on to AOL 9.0 SE. Nothing I tried helped, so now what. I really liked the old AOL 9.0 SE. If all else fails I try to find another internet provider.

  3. Fan says:

    Heck I’d even pay to go to jail if “she” is there.

  4. nagymancs says:

    well, i’m one who grew up in the nineties so seeing the old versions do give me a warm and nostalgic feel.

    apart from that back then IT stuff was something way not cheap, so in order to get out most of what we had, we had to tweak/knew as much about the parts to get the most out of them

    still it wasn’t until the 2000 somethings when i really began to feel, that most of the times, apart from the security issues new versions don’t really give me any more value

    things grew bigger and bigger, and became slower and slower.

    i still remember when i first visited your site, it was an adobe acrobat reader i needed for a p3 subnotebook with only 128sdram and a 400celeron.

    even with plugins disabled, newer eds. ran horrible on it..

    i was very delighted when i saw that i had both the 4th and 6th version on your site which both run like a flash on it.

    ever since that, i keep revisiting your site, and nearly always find some better option when I have to deal with legacy machines.

    speaking of legacy: today’s visit of mine is slightly different and maybe interesting one: I have a Nook Tablet rooted and an Ebook in the Microsoft’s CHM format.

    I’ve already tried loads of EReader progs, and converters, yet again neither of these attempts resulted something I was hoping for.

    Since in the past days I succeeded in getting the windows 3.1 be ran in anDosBox, I think it might be easier to find a 16bit CHM viewer instead of looking at modern apps.

    As easy as it seemed, the actual truth was unfortunately more grim: I’ve only tried google-ing so far but it’s shocking how hard to find 16bit apps.

    I always knew that the Internet is constantly shaping, and as that things from the past do more and more fade away like in the old pink-dog-movie, yet It’s really said.

    As that I very much agree with you that you are indeed on an honorable and noble quest!

    I very much hope that the title will never become a reality.

    Cheers! and Keep it Up!

    (Greg from Hungary)

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  5. UnXman says:

    I am a developer. Your site rocks!!! i come here to get old programs and use them so that my work is backward compatible all the way back to Windows 95. Yes, I am a real developer not one of those new nazi types that want Google to sniff my balls while Face Book reports it to the authorities. Keep up the good work. If you need help like server space, hosting or just a mirror to keep the web nazi at bay give me a shout.

    F5ck the police comming straight from the underground… NWA 1990

    :-0 <=====8

  6. fabio says:

    keep fighting the good fight!

    this project has as much to do with the future as it is about the past.

  7. Pazuzu says:

    i just want to say that its retarded that its even a possibility that you could be jailed for offering old versions of software… keep up the good work… iv been comming to your web site for years due to the fact that i have dialup and cannot update yahoo messenger or msn messenger via the website itself… you are a godsend for those of us who have to use dialup… thank you for all that you have done for us out here in cyberspace that appriciate your work and get a great benifit from your services

  8. Lyndi says:

    I am a middle aged lady that was happy and comfortable with the version of AOL I had. Then my husband & I had to get a new computer when the old (only 3 year old! :-? ) one died what we thought was an early death. That seemed pretty soon for it to die…even though I know nothing is made to last anymore. (Do computers croak sooner if not kept dusted? You are probably ROFL now but I had to ask.)Anyway I hate, hate, hate the current version of AOL, so I wanted so badly to find a way to get my old version back.

  9. Sumit says:

    Mmm, now I am tnnhkiig of you as a Greek philosopher (being interested in natural philosophy, the theories and knowledge of truth), rather than a Roman/Islamic philosopher (focusing towards the practicality of natural philosophy, having things you can actually prove and show).I’ve been tnnhkiig that maybe it was a mistake for me to get into engineering, rather than get something relating to communications/linguistics in the arts and its rare for me to actually enjoy being beaten into a bloody, whimpering pulp, but I think something is still drawing me towards earning the Iron Ring maybe I can earn it AND do public speaking.Tally-ho, sir. Tally-ho!

  10. Jeff Lewis says:

    OMG I am sooooo greatful you have this site. I’m a Firefox fan and made the mistake of updating to their new version. PEOPLE DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thanks to you I was able to download my beloved older version of Firefox that actually works.

    Dont EVER take this site down. You da bomb!

  11. scott says:

    Today was the first time I came to your site in nearly 10 years, when I was still in middle school looking for an older version of AIM 4 or 5 point something. I remember the site layout looked pretty different and I’m glad this site still exists today. The internet has developed so rapidly in this era, as issues of online piracy, not only of multimedia whatnot but information as well, bombard this modern digital generation and global cultures. I wholeheartedly agree that archiving older versions of software is just like keeping precious every fossil we discover from our planet’s past: In order for people and humanity to take steps forward, we must look at the footsteps and the trail that we have already made behind us. The more open and social platforms that people can share ideas (by which this site provides through software that also has layers of coding history behind it) the more we can understand ourselves and the world. We can also make more appropriate and constructive action to build upon our future generations. Kudos to you and your supporting staff, you have good intentions and a heart to give back to the community. Godspeed Oldversion!

  12. Craig says:

    I couldn’t survive without Oldversion.com, Alex. Thanks to you, I can revert back to Firefox 9 (since FF 10 works about as well as a rubber crutch, right now, for preserving my pages.) If you DO get sent to jail, let me know…I’ll set up a collection for you to make bail.

  13. I am a developer, including web development, and I *COMPLETELY* agree with you!

    There is far too much software that keeps getting *worse* with each new version:

    - Adobe Acrobat Reader was well-known to have gotten unreasonably bloated around v6-ish. Even in recent years, all of Adobe’s authoring products have been getting more and more ultra-bloated with each release.

    - I love uTorrent, but each new version keeps getting uglier and uglier than the last.

    - Web browsers keep messing around with their UIs and *not making the changes optional*. Some people like the changes, and for them that’s great. But some people, like me, don’t. Why should it be forced on us? Hell, I’m a web developer and *I* personally use FF2 with Winestripe (along with some other things like NoScript) for my day-to-day browsing just because each version beyond that keeps making the UI worse and worse. People bitch, and bitch, and bitch, and bitch at me over that – but you know what? That’s *their* problem.

    And those are just a few examples of the *practical* reasons for archival of old versions. Like you said, there are also legitimate historical reasons as well.

  14. crystal says:

    you’re my cyber hero <3

  15. Peter says:

    Well what can I say. I’m also a developer and if I were them probably I would be kind of pissed off too; nonetheless, knowing myself, I would rather redo my application so it fits needs of everyone. Therefore, I can’t really believe what I see – that they are threatening you! I’ve just bought a new laptop and would not install any new s…t on it simply because I like things to run smoothly.

    To sum it up – I am sorry – we are clients, they are developers. I’ll be using whatever I want, even msdos if I want to.

    Thanks man for the webpage and wish you all good in the future!
    Pete

  16. sap says:

    I love our site…. so many times when i upgrade to a new version it fails. New version = death of previous stable version on most developers sites. Thank You.

  17. Andrew says:

    Hi,

    I love your site. Thank you very much for the wonderful service you provide.

    I can’t help but wonder why the software companies have their knickers in a bunch.

    They stop making the “older” versions available, claiming they are useless. You cannot buy them for any amount of money.

    But when someone makes those versions available, the software companies start screaming about “intellectual property right infringements” or their loss of income on the older versions.

    What?

    A loss of income on the older versions they refuse to make available to people?

    They want money for something they refuse to make available. What hypocrites.

    I happen to be a collector of software. And while I do not have nearly as many programs as you do, I have programs that others might find interesting or bemusing.

    For instance, when is hte last time anyone saw a Prodigy disc? I have two, unopened. Why? I just do. I couldn’t bring myself to throw them away.

    I have more AOL discs than I can count. I never used AOL, I jsut have the discs. Again, many in their original shrink wrapped tins.

    I would love to be able to donate these original discs, and many more of hte programs I have. I love to share that which I have enjoyed, and that which might give others the opportunity to enjoy their computers to the fullest.

    DOS games are another favorite.

    I have eclectic tastes and an even more eclectic collection.

    Just because something is “old” and has been disgarded by it’s creator, doesn’t mean it no longer has a purpose.

    If I can help, please let me know.

  18. Marie says:

    haha well said, I completely agree with you!
    This site is awesome!

    I have had a recurring problem with incompatible add-ons due to all these upgrades. Thanks to this awesome site I don’t have to wait any longer for those damn add-ons to be available since I can now switch back to firefox 9.0

    Vinaka (thanks) from Fiji :)

  19. a friend says:

    I applaud you, Sir.
    Thank you for your contribution.

  20. Change For No Reason says:

    This site is a great testimony and the OPPOSITE of all the greedy money-loving technology-pushers changing things for no reason, bumping MAJOR version numbers every 10 months while completely changing the UI around for no reason at the same time, with fewer options every time, more dumbing-down with each “release” more system resource hogging with each “new” (i.e. prettier colors) release – firefox is up to what, version 55 now? Technology MANAGERS are pushing “fanciness” and “marketing” on everyone now and NOBODY designs software right the first time anymore and developers are being told either directly or indirectly that a particular software version lives at most six months now. It’s just absurd.

  21. icemanx says:

    Trouble is its all the do gooders that need teaching a big lesson

    once the new version of software fail tell them tough you aint going back to this site just because you want to

    they can suck it up when they find out that v120 is worse than v8

    I will always love to stay that version older till the bugs have been taken out for 3x versions

    if you need bail – we all will help get you out
    also if you need i’ll mirror the site (just ask)

  22. Salandor says:

    Just wanna give some love to this WONDERFUL website. I come here at least 8 years. Its been a real life saver, again and again.

    Keep up the good work!

  23. James says:

    I love your site. I have a ridiculously old computer. A few times I’ve been told to upgrade to the newest Internet Explorer or the newest WinAmp or whatever programs that look for updates, and after trying to run them my computer would freeze up. Luckily, I could come to you and get the old version that I liked in the first place and was extremely happy with. A few times I’ve tried the updates only to find that the newest version is filled with bugs that the developer has decided to simply ignore. If developers would let you roll back programs or worked out the bugs better, then I might say that this site is kind of pointless, but sadly developers usually want to add bigger and better lights and whistles when all they do it make the program worse. With that, who wants to donate to the “I need a new computer” fund?

  24. Zen H Kim says:

    It’s tragically ridiculous how some people in the software development industry view themselves as some kind of all-powerful programming priesthood, while we ‘unwashed masses’ should be unquestioningly grateful for whatever they give us. Heaven have mercy on us should we become dissatisfied with their current offerings and demand something older and better!

    Of course, that is the beauty of the Internet: it turns the worldwide computing population into a much more democratic community, where anyone can say “this software is a piece of crap” — and offer a solution! Furthermore, regardless of how much the powers-that-be may condemn it, the people at large can decide for themselves if they prefer taking the solution versus living with the problem. Sites like this [OldVersion.com] provide a way out for users like me who don’t enjoy being forced into constantly updating to newer software releases, particularly when they turn out to be less satisfactory, functional, reliable or compatible!

    As a parting shot to all those devs who’ve given in to arrogance: no less a software giant than Microsoft has demonstrated that software companies can screw up royally by making a newer version *worse* than all previous versions — first Windows Millennium Edition, and then later Windows Vista (as if to prove once and for all that they hadn’t learned a damn thing).

  25. Bill R says:

    I do not adapt to change easily. I still run Windows 2000 Professional and have no desire to change to Xtra Problems (XP), Vista, or 7. Some newer programs just aren’t compatible with my legacy operating system. IE6 was the last version made that will work on 2000. Firefox 4.0 was the final version of that browser that doesn’t cause issues. Bigger isn’t always better. I will use Windows 2000 until it simply won’t work anymore. They will have to drag me kicking and screaming to a later version.

  26. Scott says:

    There seems to be a pretty constant trend for software to go from a neat little idea to a horrible bloated mess. Developers can complain when they stop following this trend, though they still won’t have much to stand on at least it won’t be as embarrassing.

  27. Costa K says:

    I assume that most people use this site because they love a certain program. Therefore developers should see this as a huge compliment. If only they could see things from the users side.

    Yes, we’re running security risks by using these old versions but we’re big people, we can look after ourselves.

    So all we ask is to simply enjoy your products.

  28. I would like to agree with you on the value of oldversion.com (I just wrote this but it ‘disappeared’.) I use an older version of a graphics program I have to regularly download off of oldversions because it keeps also disappearing from my Program files. Over the years I grew proficient at PSP and had my own licensed, tagged version, and a purchased disc. Several years ago JASC sold PSP to Corel after a number of changes that made it less user friendly. Now it is almost impossible to buy a new disc and someone cracked mine in half, shortly after a number of my images from a well known website ended up all over the net.
    I do not need to use Dreamweaver or Adobe: the older version of JASC was user friendly, exactly tailored to my kind of artwork and very reliable. I’ve been online as long as anyone, and I know the program so well, that I neither need to nor want to change and at 57 hardly want to learn complex and constantly updated art packages I don’t need for my own use. I use to keep up with only the latest software, but like yourselves have realized that newer is not always better.

    Older versions can provide a safety function in that hackers don’t tend to look for older software files. My old images were tagged and traceable to my software program, and that with the consistent use of the same program protects my copyright.

    I value and uphold strong copyright laws, but in my case, because of hacking and the ugly way some act on the internet today, it has been to my great advantage to have access to a download of my old legally purchased material. I wish you well. The internet is not nearly so safe anymore.

  29. Also: personally, you can be put in jail with the babe: I’d rather be put in jail with the apostle Paul: I have a million questions.

  30. Joseph Black says:

    I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve visited this site over the years, and rarely has it failed me; although I’m still looking for a version of Skype Portable 4.20.187 to use instead of the bloatware 5.x versions that, like just about everything else these days, wants to hook into your government-ID verified Facebook account.

    The main reason I wanted to leave a comment here is because your idea, that old software versions are cultural artifacts, is absolutely spot-on and it ties in completely with a notion that I’ve been espousing to anyone that will listen for at least a decade; namely that in relation to file-sharing and the provision of services such as the one that oldversion.com provides, the following is the case:

    “… the problem here is the way in which the Internet is viewed and by whom. It can be and is viewed by the minority interests of big business as a copyright breaching free-for-all playground. However, the Internet can be and is viewed by ordinary Internet users as the single biggest, most resilient, distributed, digital archive of international human cultural activity that we as a species have ever seen, shared fairly equally between everyone, contributable to by everyone.”

    And it’s exactly that particular genie that the combined interests of big business and international governments, although predominantly driven by the U.S. state/media concerns, that they are now trying to put back into the bottle.

    Good on you for maintaining oldversion.com, and long may it continue!

  31. Eggs says:

    Man, what’s all the fuss about? I love this site!
    Mostly, I download old versions of software “just too see what they looked like”. It’s fun.
    But if the worst comes to the worst, I’ll visit you in prison.

  32. Bob says:

    Just to say, please keep up the good work. I’ve just downloaded Winamp 2.95, yet again – I love it! Though I may even upgrade to V3.0 soon!

  33. Nigel says:

    Heck, I’d even change my name to Nigel Oldversion

  34. carl says:

    just to guive thanks for the old versions :)

    only if it was possible to bring the old myspace to :) lolol

  35. Charles G says:

    The software companies that create these memory hogs know very well that the old versions are more efficient.It’s not a matter of educating them of this. The problem is their greed, because there is no money to be gained from old software.

    This site flys in their face. I can see why they would not like it. But when it comes down to it, Alexander Levine can sleep at night knowing he is one of the people making the world a better place, and knowing he is helping people have better lives. The people of the software companies who create these memory hogs and don’t want the consumer to be able to have old versions are the cursed ones whose consciences eat at them night and day whether they ever realize it or not.

  36. Jesse says:

    Charles G. I am going to have to disagree. It is kind of hard to explain….
    It is not really that they want this program to use more resources (these programs are free) it really all boils down to additions / modifications and bug fixes.
    A bug fix does not mean “Oops i mis-typed that variable” a bug fix is when you have to write a giant piece of code to patch up a piece of software, either to secure it more fully, or increase stability.

    Lets use web programming for example
    if i wanted to send THIS post to my database, well thats as easy as one line of code:

    INSERT INTO table VALUES(‘{$_POST['data']}’);

    But heres where simple, turns to complicated. I cannot just insert this data directly into the database, what if the user typed in “””or drop 1″ than they would delete my entire table i was accessing, so this turns it into 2 lines

    $var=mysql_real_escape_string($post['data']);
    INSERT INTO table VALUES(‘{$var}’);

    Well that seems pretty simple right? Not exactly, now the user can just type in runBadSessionStealingFunction() and now anyone who visits that website has a javascript function run that steals their session id or cookie information. So the code turns into over 5 lines trying to block out special characters. There are inherit functions to blocking out special characters like htmlentities, but this only transforms them into the html equivalent like “&nbsp” for instance is a ” ” space. Finally when the programmer wants to display the next, he has to program functions that grab the data, transform it into a neat and readable text (Did you know that the programming wont recognize when a user hits the enter button and will bunch all text together unless you change this and make it recognize “\r\n” ?).
    On top of all of this, because no one wants an unstyled website, everything must be styled in some way, there is not even something unstyled on this very website, even the simple text you see has been styled in some way. Even this input box i am typing in had to be styled with several different things.

    In conclusion, it is not that they say “Ok guys, get the memory hog function ready” They are really just trying to secure their own work, and make it more stable. Sometimes its a retarded feature addition, but you cant blame them, beta and test groups recommend these additions (or they are paid to add them). So next time a release comes out, dont think “They made it slow on purpose!” because when you actually say it out loud, it makes no sense what so ever.

  37. Neil says:

    Why is it that so-called developers continue to price themselves out of a Job? What do I mean? Well, take software such as abobe photoshop or Dreamweaver products. The newer versions cost a fortune and are beyond anything I could afford or would want to pay for the software. Sure if i was a professional developer I may be more inclined to pay the ridiculous price they ask.

    However, wouldn’t it be great if you could upload an old version of a program for a reduced price, and thus making the software available to all? That way, developers could still develop the latest and greatest versions and professionals would still buy them, which leaves the student and or hobbyist to by an older version of the software for a greatly reduced price. Everyone would be a winner!

    But no! As far as I’m concerned its pure greed and nothing else and these companies only have themselves to blame. Sadly, it’s people like you who have become the scapegoat for people who trawl dodgy P2P sites looking for software they can’t get legitimately.

    I also hate it when a company forces you to upgrade like Yahoo did with Yahoo Messenger a few years back. Sadly, progress in the computer software world is not always a good thing and I despair oftentimes at companies who have a perfectly good product and ruin it by their so-called upgrades.

  38. Talal says:

    First of all, thanks for this museum. I was searching for a very old software and I found it no where but at your website. In a nutshell, old is gold. I hope, you will keep up the good work even if you have to visit the jail.

  39. a says:

    your site is still an island in the middle of an ever more evil, invasive, information-stealing internet. i feel lost every time i have to deal with bloatware. i’ve been dealing with this since 1999. i wrote a M.Sc. thesis on a 48-RAM computer in a pentium 4 era. things like winamp 2.95 have to exist forever. today i downgraded from a bunch of mozilla programs that imho also became too resource-hungry and functionality-deprived. new looks are design for people to guess where functionality is. look at the adobe suites, firefox 4 and fwd, everything “hides” commands that were once easy to find. i could maximize the screen any time i wanted and now it comes like that, no option. besides dealing with bugs that just REMOVE basic functionality like a decent indexing service so your program can search. thank you for keeping this web site. oldversion and the internet archive are my flotation devices in a sea of crap.

  40. Jack Dale says:

    Dear Friends: I just wasted two days of Plum Choice’s techs, ending-up going back to an earlier version of Java. I am a monthly subscriber, so they are “covered”, but I feel terrible using their expertise to GO BACK, but imho Java has NO BUSINESS covering “fixes”, and if it continues to do so, I’ll predict it will HAVE, NO BUSINESS, over time. This is true in other areas, also. I no longer want a new car, seeking a “drivable dream” OLD car that maybe burns more fuel, but doesn’t intimately know any mechanics trundled-forth to fix an engine-light, so an otherwise wonderfully operating Mercedes-Benz can pass emissions (–the Emission-contractors don’t have to “test it” if the engine-light is on, which is INSANE, because a test that you PAY for, might tell you exactly what areas to address, and would be cheaper than the $200.00 M-B techs get to “scope” WHY (–NOT repair!) the engine-light is on. Lexus & Infinity were established on the crushed-dreams of former ‘Benz owners, just as the expensive Kia has made inroads on the ridiculously-expensive Lexus & Infinity, which are often badge-engineered Toyotas & Nissans. I’d recommend this site to anyone.

  41. Em says:

    I just want to bring up a point that no one else has…

    ACCESSIBILITY

    developers do NOT think of blind people using screenreaders to access programs or the internet..

    even screenreader developers ‘break’ the good stuff in them on occasion, such as Freedom Scientific did to JAWS for WINDOWS since version 9.

    Skype has had its accessibility broken more & more in the last 3 releases that its essentially useless to us now.. we have to come here to O.V to get the accessible version of a program, often…

    now if only you’d KILL THE DAMM CAPCHA!!

    ( Yes, a pet peeve of blind people EVERYWHERE!!)

    (( Screenreaders cannot read images! ))

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